University of Michigan Medical School: Medical Student Live Chat 2019

– Well, welcome, everybody. This is our GoBlueMed Twitter chat. It’s a bunch of University
of Michigan medical students answering questions from
prospective students. So, we’re excited to be here. I guess the format is, is we’ve been given a lot of questions. We condensed them down as best we can, and we’re gonna be taking
some live questions as well. Let me introduce myself,
my name is Jonathan, I’m from El Paso, Texas. I’m in the MD-PhD program here at the University of Michigan, and I’m in my third
year of graduate school. So, an M3G3 is what I’m
technically classified as. – I’m Sam, I’m an M4. I’m from Skokie, Illinois,
and I went to Carleton College for undergrad, where I did an English and Chemistry double major. – I’m Dez, I’m a third
year, well just finished up my second year starting third year. I’m from New Boston,
Michigan, so Downriver area, and I went to the University
of Michigan for undergrad. – I’m Aseel, I’m an M1. I’m from Dearborn, Michigan, and I went to U of M for undergrad. I took a gap year after. – I’m Kevin, I’m an M2
from Ann Arbor originally, but went to college out in Massachusetts at Williams College. I’m excited to be here today. – Excellent, so we’re gonna get started with our first question, and that is, what’s one cool thing
you did in the past week. I’ll start, if that’s okay, just because I’ll answer a few questions along with everybody else. I actually took a motorcycle
safety class this past weekend, so I learned how to ride a motorcycle with another MD-PhD student. It was a lot of fun. We interfaced with a
lot of different people in the Ann Arbor community,
so it was really cool, and it was something different
outside of our normal worlds. – I am one of four
people who are in charge of a musical that we do every year here called The Smoker, and this past Monday, we got a group of people together and we talked through
the plot of the musical, because we write it and
produce the whole thing. – I just finished my
last day of clerkship, my rotations, yesterday. – Congratulations.
– Congrats. – And to finish it, the
team that I was working with allowed me to like do a bedside
procedure on my patient. So, that was really
cool, and that was fun. – This week’s been
pretty busy school wise. We’ve I’ve been busy with
anatomy, we’ve got a quiz, but I think something that was really fun was my friends and I managed
to spontaneously have a game night on Sunday. So, eight of us got together, super late, after a long day of studying,
and just played cards, had fun, and laughed a lot. It was really a fun time. – All the M2s are actually gonna start their clinical rotations on Monday. So, we’re in a period of our curriculum called the transition to clerkship, and so as a part of that curriculum, we had a procedures day, where
we learned how to do IVs, and draw blood, and do some
ultrasound guided procedures. That was a pretty cool
thing we did this week too. – Awesome, cool. We’ve got a question,
related to admissions, and that is, what factors
in your application, do you think most contributed to your acceptance at Michigan, any specific activities
or extracurriculars, and also what month, did you apply? So, I’ll let you all go ahead,
whoever wants to go first. – I’m pretty fresh out of the process, so I feel like I can talk about this. You said the first part was, what aspect of my
application helped me get in. – Yeah, what factors in
your application helped you? – I don’t think there’s
a specific formula, of activities or numbers to have, but I think the fact that my application reflected things that
I was passionate about, so diverse activities that I cared about, whatever they may be for you, and whatever they were for
me, because I cared a lot about them, and could
go on, and on, and on, about my clinical experiences,
or my volunteering, or my major, that, that
served me really well. So, that’s something I would recommend for people who are applying. Make sure the things that you’re doing you’re really passionate about, and the second part of that question. – So, any specific activities
or extracurriculars, and then what month did you apply? – I submitted my primary in
June, first week of June, and my secondaries
throughout the month of July. I highly recommend soon. The sooner the better, definitely. Like I said, that’s not to
say that if you submitted in August, oh that’s it,
but sooner is always better. I think my extracurriculars
really helped me stand out was my clinical experience. Like I said, I took a
gap year after undergrad, and I had a whole year of
experience in the hospital. I think because it’s so hard to get that experience in undergrad, if you take some time off, definitely look for maybe a scribing job, or a medical assistant, anything where you can really
interact with patients, because it’s a very unique experience, and I think it’s helping
me now as a med student. – Great, thanks Lucille. Anybody else, yeah. – So I guess one thing that
stuck out in my application, is I was a student athlete in college. I was on the football team
all through undergrad, and I think as a student athlete, it really translates to medicine well, as being a part of a team, understanding how to interact with a whole bunch of different
diverse teammates, and knowing your role within the team. So, I think that was one thing that stuck out in my application. As far as what month, I was a
little bit later in applying. There were a couple of extraneous things outside of the application
process that happened during my life, during that point, but things that I kind of talked about during my personal statement,
and during my interviews. I think I sent my primaries in, in July, and had all of my
secondaries in by August. So, a little bit later, but
definitely all of the advice that I’ve heard is also
as early as possible to get those in, the better. – We can move on to the next question. Thanks you guys. Next question is, what would you consider to be the greatest strengths
of Michigan’s curriculum, and is there anything you would change? How receptive are faculty
and administration to student feedback? So, strengths of our curriculum. – I will say as a student
who just finished, the clerkship year, getting
the exposure to patients, and just working with patients earlier, has been really beneficial, because I’ve always
been a hands on learner, and just being able to work with patients as opposed to sitting in a
classroom for two years straight was one big thing for me. I think that, that’s helped me solidify a lot of the information
as well, as just learn it, ’cause on the move, you’re learning, you’re forced to learn it actually, and that’s helped me, overall. I’ve appreciated that a lot more, as opposed to just
starting my clerkship year, as a third year, but because of that also, there’s a lot of the faculty and everyone’s very receptive to feedback that the students give, just because we’re in this
like transition period, or we were in this transition period, when I was going through it. So, they were very
open, and very receptive to all of our feedback,
and they were very flexible with just things that the students needs became the administration’s needs, and we were able to work
together throughout the year. So, that was really great. – I think as a fourth year,
I am a branch student, and even people in the medical school, struggle with knowing what that means, but I’m here to tell you that
I know what the branches are, and I can explain them. So, our curriculum is,
the analogy that we use, is that it’s like a tree. The first couple years are the trunk, so you have the preclinical,
the scientific trunk, and then the clinical trunk, and then third and fourth
year are the branches. What is really nice about
Michigan’s curriculum, is that your third and fourth year is all elective time,
whereas other schools, only your fourth year is elective time. So, it gives you a lot of flexibility to do a lot of really cool things, and research that you are interested in. For example, I’m doing a
clinical ethics fellowship right now that is seven months long, where I get to work on our institutional ethics
consultation service, and I don’t have to delay
graduation in order to do this. That’s not an opportunity
that I would have had at any other school. – Awesome. I’m gonna move on to the next question. This is specifically for you Lucille. – Okay (chuckles). – ‘Cause you are a first year student. How have your first weeks lined
up with your expectations, and how have they been different? Then I’ll ask you the second question. – So, how have they been same and how have they been different. – Yeah, your expectations of coming in the first weeks of school here. – I would say they’ve
been mostly different, but not in a total 180 way, but maybe the extent of what I was, or the magnitude of what I was expecting. Let me give you an example. Most of us know med school’s rigorous. It’s a lot of information, and you spend a lot of time studying, but you don’t really know
how much, or what it’s like, until you’re actually in
it, and that was tough. I’m seven weeks in. It’s still tough, but
every day does get easier. That being said, the
feeling I get when I finish a really hard quiz or
walk out of anatomy lab, or just have done something really tough that I’ve never really done
before, is so rewarding and it’s a rewarding feeling that I didn’t know I
could feel to this extent. So, it goes both ways, it’s
tough but it’s rewarding. Something else that I
didn’t really understand before coming in, I knew
that family is important, and having a good support system
and friends are important, but the people that I’ve met in my class and the friends that I’ve
made, are more amazing than I ever, it’s so
cheesy but it’s so true, when you’re really
struggling through material, or just really tired and you know you have really good friends you
can count on in your class, it’s a really great feeling, and I’m very grateful for it here. I didn’t know that I’d meet
such great people here, so very grateful for that. – Cool. – I hope that answers the question. – That’s a really nice segue. The second part of the question is, what has been your best
strategy for self care during this time? It sounds like the social
support from your friends has been really important. What else have you built in self care? – Self care. I learned a lot of good
self care in my gap year. I highly recommend taking that time off, but I think ways I incorporate self care is making it a priority. We’re really busy sometimes
through required events, studying, if it’s quiz
weekend or whatever, but making sure the same way
you schedule in studying, you schedule in an hour of, I’m gonna watch three
episodes of The Office, or I’m gonna call my friend
who is in dental school in another state, or I’m
gonna go for a walk outside, go to the Arb. You have to tell yourself that
this is what I’m gonna do, and even if you’re like,
oh I’m too behind for this. You’re not, because you’re
gonna do that hour of self care, and you’re gonna feel really much better when you come back and
sit down to keep studying. So, making it a priority. Before you start school,
think about the things that make you feel at ease,
the things that make you happy, and really try to keep
that a part of your life, even if it’s just an hour a day. It’s really not that much. – That’s awesome, and I think that y’all may have some feedback for us, but I think our administration, and the gestalt of the med
school is always concerned about how you’re doing as a
person and self care, at least that’s always
been present for me. – Yeah, I agree. – As I’ve I’ve gone through,
so it’s nice to know that people are thinking about that, and that’s an important thing for us. Cool, thank you. Next question has to
do with Ann Arbor, A2. So, for those moving from
a big city to Ann Arbor, how was your transition, and the second part of the question is, what do you all do outside of school? So anybody moved from a
big city to Ann Arbor? – Kind of. – Yeah, Kevin. – So I’m from Ann Arbor originally, but I did a gap year in Philadelphia. So, Ann Arbor has always been home, so it’s a little bit
different of an answer for me, but one of the things I
love most about in Arbor, is that it’s a small
town, college town feel. There’s everything you want in a town, the main street has
incredible restaurants, and really cool bars, and places to go. The Arb is a huge park in
the middle of the city, right next to the hospital. So, having a weekend free, or even a night to go walk through the Arb,
right next to the Huron river is always a great thing. One of my favorite things is going to the Farmers
Market on Saturday mornings. They have like these incredible samples, and different local farmers
come and bring all their crops, or eggs, or cheeses or all,
of the above, that’s there. – Which is really a short
walk from where we live. – Right, it’s probably a five minute walk from the medical school. – Yeah, it’s really easy to get to. – It’s a little town where people know a lot of other people,
and it’s really familiar. You can run into people on the street that you know from my
case, from childhood, but it’s also big enough that you never feel contained by it too. – What do y’all do in Ann Arbor? – I feel like Kevin described
a lot of the big key features of Ann Arbor that I love. I love living here. I did not come from a big city. I went to school in Northfield, Minnesota, which is this tiny little
town, 20,000 people, but in terms of things that I do. I have a goal to eat at every restaurant worth eating at in Ann
Arbor before I graduate. So that’s the first thing. I got a lot of recommendations
if you need them. I’ve tried my hardest to eat
all the really good places. – [Jonathan] Have you done
Restaurant Week, by the way? – I have done Restaurant Week, yeah. So, Restaurant Week, Ann
Arbor does Restaurant Week twice a year. There’s one in the
summer, one in the winter, and all of the nice
restaurants in Ann Arbor will do a discounted meal, so you can go in and try their food for a little less money. So, I like doing that a lot. There are a lot of different
ways to work out in Arbor. I do Yoga and Pure Barre. There’s so many different
yoga studios that are awesome. I love Tiny Buddha, it’s
my favorite place to be. I know a lot of people who do CrossFit, and also Orange Theory. A lot of residents and
faculty do Orange Theory too, and then the other thing I
love, is I love the Huron River. Ann Arbor is this place
where you have access to more Metropolitan things,
like stores and restaurants, and all of that stuff, but you also have this magnificent River and the Arb, and also state parks that are
nearby in neighboring cities. I went kayaking on the Huron
River this past Saturday, and that’s one of my
favorite things to do. I saw seven turtles, which was incredible, but I really, really love Ann Arbor, and it’s got a lot going for it. – Yeah, it’s a very active town, and you see lots of people
spending time outside, especially when the weather gets good. – The other thing I think we’d be remiss without mentioning game day in Ann Arbor. – Oh my God, yeah, oh my God. – So, we have a big home
game coming up this weekend. Going to a Michigan game
is unlike anything else. It’s the biggest Stadium in the country, so, being there in the student section with 114,000 people every Saturday is something that’s
super, super fun and cool. – Yeah, it’s definitely
part of our culture here. – That truly is. – Cool, thanks you guys. So, next question is about interviews. What was the most surprising
interview question that you were asked, and any advice for staying calm on interview day? – Again, pretty fresh out of this process. (panel laughs) But, something that surprised me was my interviewer was actually an M4, one of my interviewers was a student, and at some point in the
interview she asked me, she referenced something that I had said in my personal statement, one line, a very powerful line, but one line. She said, “Can you tell me more about this and what this term.” I think it was cultural humility, and she, “Tell me more about what it means to you.” I think that showed me that, one, she had had really
gone through my application, taking the time to get to know me on paper before she saw me in person, and two, that she really cared about what was important to me. Because obviously it was important to me, it was my personal statement, and we had a really good
conversation about it afterwards. The way to stay calm, I
know here in Michigan, Carol and the whole admissions
team does such a good job of helping you chill out in the morning, literally I walked in
and I was like (shudders) kind of nervous, but Carol
handed me a fortune cookie, and I opened it, and it’s
like, we already like you do your best, and everybody
got fortune cookies with motivational quotes in laminate. That was really helpful. Obviously, that’s not how
it’s like in every school, but I would say, remembering
that you’re here for a reason. They invited you because
they like you on paper, and usually an interview, it’s two things. It’s one, an opportunity for
you to get to know the school, and two, just to prove that
you are who you said you are. If you frame it that way,
it’s it’s a little less scary, so just remembering
that you’re well liked, the school likes you,
they want to know you, and just as much as you’re
trying to sell yourself to that school, that school
is trying to sell themselves to you, as well. So, that helped calm my nerves
a bit too, and practice. The more you practice
before your interview, the more chill your interview will feel. – I would say, to piggyback off of that, just remember it’s a
conversation, more so. It’s not like, oh, I have to say. I would stray away from creating scripts and things like that, or ways
to answer certain questions, just because it seems more natural if it flows a little better,
as opposed to it seem like, oh, I’m sticking to this one script, and if it deviates from the
script, then I’m struggling. I would say, just be yourself, which I know can sometimes
sound a lot easier than it actually is, but just be yourself and just try not to
worry about it too much, because at the end of the day, if they invited you that for an interview they do already like you,
so it’s just a matter of you showing them who you
really are, and your true self. – Yeah, oh… – No, go ahead. – One piece of advice that I’ve given to a lot of people that I know who’ve applied to medical school. I remember one interview that I did. It wasn’t the one for
Michigan, where I just, I did not feel confident at all, and I feel confidence is a big part of how naturally you
go about an interview. So, I went to this interview, even the way that I did my hair, it didn’t
just didn’t feel like me, and I was so self
conscious the whole time, and nervous, and stumbled
through the whole interview. I didn’t get an offer from that school, and it made sense to me, because I did not feel
like I was my best self. Before the Michigan interview, because it was really important
to me, I wanted to do well. Actually, I was a student athlete too. I played volleyball at Carleton, and we had this exercise at one point, where we wrote a note to each other about the strengths that
we see in that person. So, I had a note that was
from one of my teammates, where she told me all
of the positive things that she sees about me,
and why she looks up to me as her teammate and her captain. I read that to myself the
night before my interview, because I feel like this whole
process is such a challenge to your self-esteem and
your image of yourself, because you’re just
constantly questioning, do people like me. Am I selling myself enough? Have I done enough, and
to have that reminder that you are good, and there
are these wonderful things about you, and what things
you need to emphasize, when you’re at your interview day, that will help you be your
most confident and best self. – That’s great, thanks you guys. I always recommend others just
to be organic and authentic when you’re there, and I think
Michigan does a great job of making you feel
comfortable when you come in. At least, that was my
experience when I interviewed. So, thank you all. This next question is
about the MSTP Program, so I will, I will go ahead and take this. I’m the one representative here tonight. The question is, what did you
choose to do your MSTP Program in at Michigan, and how has
your experience been thus far? So, my PhD department is in
Molecular Integrated Physiology. I study a cardiac disease, called hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, and I’ve actually gotten to work in both, on randomized clinical trial,
both with human patients. I did that during the first
couple years of med school, and then I’ve taken that idea that we’ve learned in the clinic, and reverse translated
that into mouse models in a basic science research lab. So, it’s been really
rewarding to be able to work in both of those areas of medicine, both on the human patient side, and then begin to answer
mechanistic biological questions, how to bench and doing research. The program is great, the
leadership is fantastic. I think what Michigan tells
the prospective applicants is that the leadership, the
program leadership, Dr. Koenig, is that every student in the MSTP room gets lots of attention,
and that’s so true. We have great support in our program, and I feel lucky ’cause
everybody in the leadership of the MSTP knows who you are, and they’re always looking out for you, so that’s been quite special. My experience has been great. The program has been going for 30 years, the medical scientist
training program aspect means that it’s an MD-PhD program funded by the National
Institutes of Health. There’s about 30 schools
or so in the nation that have that grant mechanism, and so that makes our funding very secure, and further research
opportunities really good, so it’s a very strong program. So, I’m happy, and it’s going along. It takes a little while, but it’s good. The next question is about
support and community. What sort of resources
or support are available for underrepresented medical students at University of Michigan? – So, I would say for that
one, there’s an office here, it’s called OHEI, it’s the Office of Health
Equity and Inclusion. This office makes
themselves readily available to any student, not
necessarily underrepresented, but it’s just available to any student. Their doors are wide open all
the time and they are just, if you have any questions,
concerns, or anything, typically, I would say that they’re likely to be your first go to, or even if you’re just
interested in other things outside of support. But if you’re like, oh,
I’m really interested in this one particular aspect of medicine, that I can’t really find
anyone else who’s doing. That would be more, I would
say the go to office for that. Also, I just feel in
general the admissions, or the Administration Committee is very receptive of students, just coming to them with any concerns. Then they can also point
you in the right direction, if they themselves can’t,
in particular, help you. – Great. – In terms of the
student groups on campus, there are a lot of identity-based groups. There’s United Asian American Association of Medical Students, there’s
the Jewish Student Association, Middle Eastern American
Student Association, LANAMA, Latin American and
Native American Association, and so they’re all of these groups that you can join, but there’s also a Student Diversity Council, where there is a representative
from each of those groups, that meet together, and also
have a close relationship now with Student Council. So, that’s another way of joining a group that represents a cultural or community that you identify with or want to support, and also the Student Diversity Council is a great way that within our school that those groups talk with one another. – So, that’s a nice segue, Sam. The next question that’s
coming up is about community, and what I like to ask you is what other student orgs
are you involved in, if you’ve joined any yet,
and how do you have the time or make the time to participate in these student organizations? – So, when it comes to a student orgs, I think it’s one of those things where you find the things
that are important to you, and then you make time for
things that are important, because at the end of the day, yes studying is really important, but being yourself and
being true to yourself, and also doing things
that are important to you, are just equally as important as studying. So for me, I’m in the
Black Medical Association, and I’m on the Executive Board for that. It was just one of those things, it’s like okay, I’m gonna
sacrifice an hour of studying this day to go to this meeting, and I’ll just make it up somewhere else. So, you just rearrange your schedule, and that’s another good thing about, just jumping back to a earlier question, the curriculum is very flexible when it comes to your scheduling,
as well as your timing, and your testing, so you’re
on your own schedule. They put a lot of
responsibility on you for that. For me, I could say, okay I’m
just gonna push off studying for an hour here, and
I’m gonna make that up a little later in the day, but I’m gonna go and do this meeting. Another program that I’m in, it’s called Doctors of Tomorrow. Well, I was in that my M1 year. I guess I’m not anymore, but with that program,
it’s an outreach program to high schoolers, I would
say nine through 12th graders, are nine through 11th graders, and it’s a mentoring program for students who might be
interested in pre-health and things like that. So, those are a couple of the programs that the student orgs that I’m in. I’m in a lot of other ones, but those are the two
big ones that I was in. – I think something just about
med school in general, too, is I feel like a lot of pre-meds up are really worried
about building a resume, and checking off some
boxes as far as research, as far as community service,
as far as clinical time, but what’s really nice about med school is I feel the people that are
involved in extracurriculars are involved in things that
they’re truly passionate about, they’re not really trying to build a resume, necessarily, for residency. So, the things that they
put their time into, they’re really passionate about, and they really delve their
whole selves into those things. A couple things I was involved in, is I volunteered at both
the Student Run Free Clinic, and the Delonis Center this past year, so two free healthcare organizations. The Student Run Health Clinic, that’s a free clinic, is run by Michigan med
students from top to bottom, and we go in either
Wednesdays or Saturdays, to a little town called Pinckney, about 45 minutes away,
and give free healthcare to the uninsured there, and the Delonis Center is a
homeless shelter in Ann Arbor, where we have opportunities,
I think typically on Mondays, to go in and provide free healthcare and see people of Ann Arbor. So, those have been
really, really cool too. I’m also a member of the
Christian Medical Association, and then we actually are starting up and rejuvenating Michigan
Catholic Group as well, which I’ve been a part of, as well. – In terms of that, there was
a question about self care earlier that you answered, that for me, and we’re gonna eventually get into why we picked Michigan later, and then I’ll come back to this, but being in student orgs is the way that I take care of myself. It’s how I choose to spend my free time, and it’s the way that I get to meet people from other classes, do something creative, and just spend an hour each week doing something that isn’t school related. For me, I really need that
to like stay a sane person, because I just like doing
a lot of different things. So, in addition to the
musical that I’m helping run, I’m also one of the directors
for Biorhythms this year, so that is the student
dance group that we have. We have two showcases a year. We have all sorts of
dances that are in it, and it’s just an incredible time. You get to see your friends up on stage doing some sick moves, and
it’s one of the best things about med school here, and
we are the only med school that has that, and that
was very important to me when I was choosing where to go. – Yeah, that’s awesome. The Smoker and Biorhythms
is always sought out. – You should sign up for them. – It’s a lot of fun.
– I’m not biased. – Cool, thanks you guys. So, next question about
global opportunities if anybody has any familiarity, how do the Global Health
Tracks Concentrations work, and does your school help students with international rotations,
especially if they’re not in the Global Health Path of Excellence? – I know I’m still an
M1, barely two months in, but I did talk to upperclassmen
before I came to Michigan, and also part of why I chose Michigan, is that I have these
upperclassmen, but I know people who have done international
experiences abroad, maybe as an elective or
as a research project, and it was not part of
a Path of Excellence, so that caters to that
part of the question, that it’s definitely possible, and you are not limited by your path, in terms of the opportunities
when you are in the branches, so you can definitely do that, I know. – Yeah, so I’m an old geezer, and the curriculum has changed,
even since I was an M1, but my M1 summer I did
the Global Reach Program, which is there is specific organizations in different countries,
that Michigan Medicine partners with, and has these
global health initiatives. So, I went to Beijing for
seven weeks when I was an M1, and I did hepatology research there. So, there is an infrastructure
for participating in global research opportunities, if that is something that
you’re interested in. I don’t know if it’ll
necessarily necessarily happen during your M1 summer anymore, but in the branches you’re M3 and M4 time, so electives are like
you sign up for things that you want to do. You have to meet certain
requirements in order to graduate, but you generally have the flexibility to pick whatever rotations you want. I know people who have gone and they found a language program in Peru, and did that for like four weeks, because they just wanted
to work on their Spanish, and live in Peru for
four weeks, just awesome. You also have the ability to just sign up for research experiences, and individually arranged
electives, that you can design. You can sign up for
international electives. I know people who did a general
surgery rotation in Brazil. I really think they just
wanted to go to Brazil, maybe they wanted to do the surgery, but there are a whole
bunch of opportunities to explore things internationally, if that’s something that
you’re interested in. – Yeah, two of my classmates,
one of them went to Austria, and one of them went to Switzerland, and one went into otolaryngology, and the other is going
into generally surgery, so there’s lots of opportunities
to go abroad, and places. So, pretty neat if you
get to do those things. – Yeah, that’s cool. – I was jealous. (panel laughs) Cool, so we’re moving
on, mentors in research is the next topic we’ll talk about. Is it possible to do research during the first and
second years of med school, and what kinds of
opportunities are available? Are professors readily
accessible to students, as both professional and research mentors? – I could talk a little bit about this. So, I’m not doing research yet. I’m trying to get my
feet wet a little bit, before I get into research, but a lot of my classmates
have found projects, and the professors are
actually really open about joining their labs. I can count 10 lectures I’ve had already, where the professor will
leave their email address at the end, and tell the students, by the way I’m working on this really cool stem cell research project
and if you’re interested, email me, join my lab, and
maybe the first month of school was just swamped with emails about research opportunities
that you did have to apply for, but you know they really
have been encouraging M1s to take on research is they want to. By no means are do you
have to do research, because there’s so much
time in the branches, and what that looks like, I think is anywhere from
five to 10 hours per week, so I would say it’s not as time consuming as maybe it was an undergrad. So it’s definitely doable during the year, if you want it to be, but
it’s not a requirement, so I can attest to that. – I’ll speak on it from the other end. So, I just started, I just
signed up through a mentor to join his research project, so I’ll be doing that
more so in the branches. Granted, looking back, I
do feel I did have the time M1 year to do so if I wanted to, probably not as much as
I’ll be able to invest over the next couple years,
or during my M3 and M4 year, but I would say in regards to second year, a lot of your focus is
on working and studying. With that being said, my
roommate wants to go into a very competitive specialty, so she’s working on three
research projects right now, and I’m like, I have
absolutely no time to do that. But we’re the same year,
so you again find time to do the things that you want to do, and the things that are
important to you, again. I think throughout the second year, which are your clinical rotations, there are certain months
where you’re really busy, and then there’s other months,
where you’re not as busy, so in those months you
might invest more time in doing the research. You don’t have to study as hard, because the rotations are a little easier. So, I think that it
definitely is possible. It’s just a matter of
again, rearranging your time and focusing on certain
things at different times. – I think speaking to
finding mentors here, it’s really, really easy. The vast majority of faculty here, love working with medical
students in whatever way possible. So, for example, I went to a
random student interest group, and met one of the physicians there, connected with her on
that, like dinner night, ended up meeting with her in her office for an hour and a half talking
about my life, her life, her path in the field, and then ended up just becoming part of her research team, and adding a clinical research
project in April or March, without really thinking about doing that, going into that meeting. So, if you want those opportunities, they’re definitely there, and
the opportunities to interact and find mentors is extremely easy, which was a huge thing of why I ended up coming to Michigan, as well. – Very cool, and I just want to emphasize that I think there’s lots of
different types of research, you can do, so you just
mentioned clinical research. I do basic science research,
there’s policy research, public health types of research, so there’s tons of different
research opportunities. I think that’s a nice thing as well. We have a lot of different
graduate schools at Michigan, so we have a lot of opportunity
in different departments, not only in the medical school, so that’s another
strength of ours as well. – One other great thing I
would say about Michigan, in particular, is if you’re
interested in something, even if it’s very specific, if you talk a faculty member, and they don’t necessarily
have that connection that you’re looking for, they will point you in the direction of the person who can help you best, even if that’s pointing
you to different people, a couple of times, at the end
of the day they will make sure that you find who you need to talk to, to do whatever you want to do. – Yeah, agreed, thanks y’all. Okay, moving on, we’re gonna
talk about Paths of Excellence. Who is in a path, and which one, and why? How much time and guidance did you receive in choosing your Path of Excellence? Anybody want to take that question? – Sure. – If they’re in a Path of Excellence. – Sure, so I was in the Scholarship of Learning and Teaching
Path of Excellence. I think, as far as how
much introduction we had into the paths, there were
a couple of different weeks where we had info sessions with a whole bunch of different paths that we are potentially interested in. They hosted a 30 minute info session, telling us what the
expectations were in the path, what kind of projects people
could end up doing for their impact projects
throughout the rest of the time in the curriculum, and the things that they would be covering. As far as why I chose the Scholarship of Learning and Teaching, I was really involved in
admissions and interview days in the second look weekend
for this past year. I think being involved in
something like admissions, or some kind of medical education, is something that I would
love to do down the road. So, that seemed to be a
really good fit for me, but I have friends who are in
all kinds of different paths, whether it’s the Innovation
Path of Excellence, the Ethics Path of Excellence, Global Health and Disparities. There’s countless opportunities
in different areas of focus. If you have any particular interests outside of specifically clinical medicine. – I’m on the Medical Humanities Path, and this is my spiel on the path. Okay, so correct me if I’m
wrong, it’s not required. That didn’t change? – No. – Okay, so that’s the
first thing I’ll say, is that this isn’t a required thing. This is something that you opt into if you’re interested in,
and my spiel about it, is the Paths of Excellence
are a way for you to make the curriculum
and med school resources work for you, in something
that you’re passionate about, and a project that you
potentially want to work on. So, for me, I really
wanted to write a play, and I knew that on the
Medical Humanities Path, I would have the resources,
and the opportunity, and the time to be able to do that in the med school curriculum. So, it’s something that’s not necessarily, that maybe I wouldn’t have built in time into the branches to be able to do, but because I did the
path, I could have that. So, don’t worry about it. It’s not something that you have to do. It’s purely if there’s something
that you’re interested in, like ethics, or innovation,
or global health, or a scholarship in
teaching, go and do that. The school is gonna support
you in your interests that complement your academic work. – Cool, a sub-question that was asked is, can you combine two paths? I think two paths is not
recommended due to time, but it sounds like you can
customize your path accordingly, and that’s kind of what I
gather from Kevin and Sam, cool. Curriculum, how do you
feel Michigan prepares you to address upstream health factors for your patients and beyond? So, how do you feel prepared
in addressing health factors for your patients and beyond? This might be for clinical
students that have gone through. – I think a lot of different
medical school curriculums are starting to incorporate
more health system science and a broader view of healthcare into what they teach medical students, and peppered throughout
M1 through M4 year, we have programming that relates to that. I have always felt like here at Michigan, we always kind of talk
about the bigger picture. What are things that are
impacting our patients beyond what we immediately see
in clinic or in the hospital, and what are things that we
can do to be more cognizant of those factors when we’re trying to treat these patients as whole persons. I hope I’m interpreting
this question correctly. – Yes you are, yeah. – ‘Cause is gonna be really
embarrassing if I’m not. But yeah, we have a Health
System Science lecture, and I remember they
gave us this analogy of, kind of a morbid analogy,
but it’s you’re sitting having a picnic by a river, and you’re seeing these bodies
floating down the river. So, what they’re trying
to trying to teach us, or at least a lot of medical
schools are trying to do, they’re trying to teach you to not just pull the bodies
out of the river one by one, but go upstream and figure out who’s pushing those bodies in. So, I think Michigan has always had an eye to helping students
see the bigger picture, and we’re not just locked
into basic science, or clinical medicine, but
thinking more broadly. – I’ll also tie into that
and say that Michigan’s very team-based in general,
when it comes to healthcare, so it’s like on one team
you’ll have social workers, pharmacists, medical
students, residents, interns, and through all of that, that helps maintain the
holistic picture of the patient. So, even if you’re talking
about this patient, and trying to figure out
what you’re gonna do, how you’re gonna help this patient, there’s a social worker who’s
also looking at that patient, and from a different perspective, that maybe someone else was missing, so then they can give their
input, and they’re like, oh, actually I didn’t
think of things that way. So, it’s very patient centered, but it’s through multiple
different perspectives and multiple different lenses. – Okay, next question has to
do with community engagement. Kevin talked a little
bit about this earlier with the Delonis Clinic, a free clinic, but how does the University
of Michigan medicine engage with their surrounding communities? I think you gave a couple good examples. You could bring those back
up Kevin if you wanted to. – Yeah, absolutely. So there’s a number of
different organizations, and extracurriculars
you can get involved in. So, the two I mentioned before,
the Student Run Free Clinic, which is something that I
think is really, really special about Michigan, and a ton
of students get involved in, whether that’s in a big leadership role, and running those clinic days,
or me, as just a volunteer, every so often in the clinic, just getting out in the
community and seeing the patients as a first year medical student, who’s not in the clinical curriculum yet, was really, really valuable, and I think the same can be said for the Delonis Center,
specifically working with the homeless population in Ann Arbor. There’s also, a somewhat new group that does street medicine and
both Ann Arbor and Detroit. So, they go around and vans, and see if people need healthcare
right there on the street. We go through a training
program to help out with those people as well. So, those are just a couple of the ways that people have started to get involved. I mean, I’m sure there’s more
that I don’t even know of, and if there are specific populations around Ann Arbor or Detroit, that’s a huge focus of Michigan as well. So, if you have any great ideas as to how to further get involved too, it’s something that’s definitely
at your disposal to do. – Medical School is also super involved in fundraising for the community, so the Galens Medical Society is one of our largest organizations, and we have a fundraiser
every year called Tag Days. It’s like the med students go out in the streets of Ann Arbor, this is a tradition, everybody
knows when it’s Tag Days, and we raise tens of thousands of dollars for children in Washtenaw County, and we choose as an organization each year what charities, and funds, and groups we want to give the money to. It’s a process that a lot
of people put a lot of time, and effort, and energy into, because we want to find a way
to give back to the community. So, that’s something that
I’ve been involved in. Tag Days is just a huge
tradition for all of us. Byron, those two donates
it’s money to local charities that supports healthcare
for vulnerable populations, but there are other ways to
be engaged with the community in addition to clinically. – Yeah, getting lots
of plugs in for Byron. (panel laughs) – Yeah, yeah, that’s what I’m here for. – Maybe quickly Dez and
Sam, I know you guys have been through your clinical
and clerkship training. Maybe you could tell potential students about the opportunities
that you could train, like do a clerkship somewhere
outside of Ann Arbor, if you wanted to, for
family medicine or, etc. Do you want to talk a little
bit about that quickly? – Yeah, so I actually for family medicine, I was at a non-Michigan affiliated
clinic, I was in Livonia. – Okay, which is just east of Ann Arbor. – Yeah, it’s just east of Ann Arbor, it’s a suburb of Detroit, and that was a really
fascinating experience, because I did see a slightly
different patient population, and I got to see how
providers work in a system that isn’t a Michigan system. So, that was a really nice experience, and I know on the neurology clerkship too, I think you could go to a
clinic that’s in Jackson, which is 45 minutes west of here. – Also, I will say for Family Medicine there’s different sites. There’s sites in Ypsilanti, which is just slightly– – [Jonathan] South of here, southeast. – Yeah, so south of
here there’s also sites in rural locations, there’s
sites in Ohio, which. (panel laughs) But there are multiple different sites, and Michigan’s willing to work with you. They allow you to rank
where you want to go, and you can explain why
you want to go there. So, if you really want
to do rural medicine, you can say, oh, I’m really
interested in this specific site that’s on your list of
places that I can go, because I think I want
to do rural medicine when I grow up and become a doctor. So, they are flexible with that, and there’s also different populations that they try to target for people who are interested in those
particular populations. – I think that that’s a great segue, Dez. It’s kind of a related question, do you find there’s
sufficient patient diversity at Michigan for you to
have adequate training during the clinical
years, and that might be things like ethnicity,
race, socioeconomic level, and pathology, or presentation
of certain rare cases. – So yeah, I definitely think there is, and tying into what I was just saying, I think it’s also a lot easier here than it might be at other schools to get those opportunities, and say, oh I’m really interested in this. Is it okay if as a clinical student, I go to this location
to further my education, and to get the most out
of this experience for me? So Michigan has been, I
think, pretty receptive to that feedback, at least this past year, as I’ve gone through it. – In terms of patient population, Ann Arbor doesn’t have
very specific population, that you’re treating. A lot of local people are
going to be slightly wealthier, a little bit more of the
same socioeconomic status, and ethnicity that you’ll see, but Michigan is a level one trauma center, and we are a hospital that all
of the hospitals in Michigan, literally all the hospitals in Michigan will send their most
complicated, and interesting, and weird cases to, because
we just have the resources and the expertise to
be able to handle them. So, you will see really interesting things that you won’t get to see at another type of teaching hospital. That being said, because Ann Arbor has a very specific patient population, you actually do have so many opportunities to go to other hospitals in the area, so you can go to St. Joe’s for
a few different clerkships, which is a community hospital, and you’ll get a certain type
of patient population there. I was in Ypsilanti at the clinic
for my pediatric clerkship, and that is a lot of Medicaid patients, and a very different type
of patient population than you see Ann Arbor. I also did an emergency medicine rotation at Hurley, in Flint, and that
was an incredible rotation, very different place, very
different environment, but I learned a lot. You also can go to Henry Ford, and when you are a branch of student, and you are applying to residency, some specialties require
that you do an away rotation, or you can just do it for fun, but you can go to other
states and other institutions to see what it’s like to
practice medicine there too. – I’m gonna pick on you again Sam, because this question is for, and you Dez, so I’m not leaving you. We’ll come back to you. (panel laughs) So for you all, how well prepared
do you feel for matching, and residency, in general? – Oh my God. – This is maybe more pertinent for you. – She just applied. – You can’t ask me that, because I just submitted my application. Obviously, I’m scared out of my mind. I think, I would say, I’m pretty confident in my clinical skill. That sounds really bold to say that. I feel really confident. Once you get to starting
to do your sub-internships, so when you’re an M3,
M4, a sub-internship. So, an intern is the
first year of residency, and a sub-internship is a med student that’s trying to practice being an intern. So, when you start doing your rotations, where you’re doing a sub-internship, it’s like everything comes together, and you realize that you are competent, and capable of handling
things with supervision. So, I think I’m pretty well
prepared for residency. That remains to be seen, but we also, the different
departments here, are so supportive, for
all of the students. I’ve met with so many different… I’m applying in emergency medicine, and I have met with so many
different faculty and mentors that have helped me with
my application process, and have been truly very honest with me about what programs make
sense for me, where I sit, relative to other candidates, and the things that I need to
emphasize on my application, and what I need to do
when I’m interviewing. So, I feel extremely well supported. I feel like it’s too much hubris to say whether or not I’m gonna do
really well in residency, but I’m not scared. Also, the do a boot camp right before, so at the end of your M4
year, you have a boot camp for all of the different specialties, which is one month or two
months of just dedicated, high yield, what you need to know your first day of intern year information, and I know a lot of upperclassmen, who after having gone through that, feel so much more confident, and of going to whatever program
that they get matched into. So, I have no concerns that I will be able to not kill anybody when I
start my residency (laughs). – Thanks Sam, that’s awesome. Thanks for sharing,
’cause it’s so proximal to what’s going on. Dez, you have any thoughts on that, given that you just finished
your clinical rotations, or you’re finishing, you’re almost done? – I have another year before I apply, but I think just overall the clinical, getting the exposure earlier
will be super beneficial and help me out, but also
the branches in general. The fact that I have essentially
18 months of flexibility, where I’m just like, oh,
like I can do whatever I want in these 18 months as long as I fulfill six months of requirements. I think that’s also gonna help me a lot, because I’m someone who
I am pretty convinced, I know what I want to go into, and we just finished scheduling
the first six months, come from December to June of next year. So, I’ve lined up specifically. I’m like, okay I want to do this month, I want to take this. This month I want to take
this, and it’s prepping me and getting me ready
for one, my application, as well as what I’m gonna be doing like for the rest of my life. Granted I haven’t done
it, or gone through it yet like you have, but I think
having so much flexibility to create my own schedule. We’re not scrambling at the end, a couple months before applying. I think that’s gonna be
huge and super beneficial when I go to apply, as well
as when I become a resident. – Cool, thanks Dez. I’m gonna throw a question y’all’s way. What is M-Home and how
do you think about it, and what is it like also
learning in small groups, and how has that impacted
both of those things, M-Home and small groups. How has that impacted your
learning and development? – I guess you can tackle
the small groups question. So, I come from a really
small liberal arts college, where class sizes were about
10 to 12 on the high end. I absolutely love that kind
of learning environment, and while the lectures
aren’t all like that, there’s very specific dedicated
small group time every week. One case of that is in
your doctoring groups, which is a group of 10
or 12 of your classmates matched with two faculty,
and teaching clinical skills, teaching different
health disparity lessons, reaching the full gamut
of what you may see as a clinical student. In addition, there’s
also various small groups throughout the week, and
throughout the sequences, that will support and add to all of the lectures supplementally, and for those either
residents, or fellows, or attendings, will all come and lead those smaller presentations. So, we’ve had a ton of those recently in our transitioning clerkships, as we are about to start
our clinical rotations. Those are so great to
be able to pick the ear of some of the leaders of the field that are all around the
University of Michigan, and to not really feel
dumb asking questions, that you may perceive to
be kind of silly questions. But just being in that
smaller learning environment, having the ability to have those
small intimate discussions, I think was a great thing for our learning and the development of our
foundational clinical knowledge. – I can talk a little bit about M-Home, so M-Home is, I guess the
best way I can describe it is, it’s like Harry Potter,
where you get sorted into one of four houses, and you get sorted during your orientation
week, so right off the bat, I was told I was House
Sanford, go Sanford. – Yes, yes (laughs). – I guess what M-Home has done for me is, it takes this huge group of 170 students, and divide them into fours, so
being in that smaller group, it does make it easier
to get to know people. Each group is assigned, I think you get a physician
faculty member, who’s a coach. So, if you have any questions related to being a doctor, you have that person to coach
you, and ask some questions. But I think what’s been most impactful is my house counselor, Amy. Anytime, if I’m stressed
out during the week, or I need help navigating
some aspect of the curriculum, but I don’t really want
to ask, a faculty member, or someone who might
judge me, or I don’t know. Just sometimes it can be
daunting to be asking someone, like a doctor, so Amy is our counselor, and I can go to this for anything
pertaining to curriculum, pertaining to wellness,
pertaining to student orgs. So, I think that has been
one of the best things about M-Home for me, and
it’s just a great way to build community. We just had the M-Home
Olympics, super competitive. – Great, thanks. So, we’ve got five minutes left. We’re gonna have our
closing question here, and we’re all gonna answer it. I think is important we do. So, how did you know that
Michigan Medical School was the right fit for you,
and now that you’re here, what is different about Michigan, that makes it such a unique experience? I’ll start by saying, I
knew it was the right fit because of the people. When I came here, and
I had the interactions with people here, it felt very welcoming. It was a collaborative community. People are happy, people are healthy. It’s just a great place to be, and it’s a great place to be
personally and professionally. Michigan is, we have this great community, but we’re also very excellent, so we really push hard
in what we want to do. So, I’m super happy to
be here for that reason, and it started from the interview process, and it’s been that same way
since I’ve been in school, both medical school, and both
in graduate school for my PhD. – I think one thing to add to that too. I think that’s absolutely
the answer I would give too, is the community of people
that I’m surrounded by. But one thing I love to say to friends, who ask me about med school,
or friends who are going and applying in, just ask about what a Michigan student looks like. I think the one word that it
boils down to, is passionate. I think so many of our
classmates are so passionate about so many different things, whether that’s some aspect
of clinical medicine, whether that’s something about research, whether it’s something
about public policy, or something completely
outside, and exercise. I think it’s so great to be privy to so many different points
of view and perspectives, and just learning how
passionate every one is about something, and taking
a little bit of that, and enriching your own education
through your classmates, is something that makes
this place so special. – It’s infectious in
that way, that passion. – Absolutely. – Y’all, what do you think? – So, again, I was gonna
say the same thing, just the feeling that
I got on interview day, of all of the places that I interviewed, no place made me feel like Michigan did. I left Michigan my interview
day, and I was like, I’m going to Michigan,
and then I was like, oh wait, I gotta get in first. (panel laughs) They were very welcoming,
they were very warm. They convinced me that I
wanted to go to Michigan, before I even got into Michigan. But other than that, I would say that I knew a lot of the medical students here, before even starting or before applying, just through undergrads,
and just other jobs that I was doing, but just
through communicating with them, and hearing their aspect of things. Medical school is very hard. At the end of the day,
regardless of where you go, med school is gonna be hard, and I think the important
thing is making sure you’re going to a school with
people that will support you, and I don’t necessarily
just mean the faculty, or the administration, but also
your classmates, your peers. It’s like everyone here
seemed very friendly. They were all very warm
and welcoming students, and that was something that
was really important to me, as well, because I didn’t
want to go somewhere where medical school. I was like, med school is hard enough without the aspect of competition. So that was something, and the fact that Michigan
was pass-fail curriculum was also huge, ’cause I was
like, at least that takes one level of stress off of things. I was like okay, as long
as I pass, then I’m okay, and the rest of things
will just fall together, fall into place over time. – [Jonathan] Thanks Dez. – I picked Michigan, because
all of the other schools that I interviewed at, which wasn’t many, but the extracurriculars
they had were like, the Internal Medicine Interest
Group, and that was it, but then here, we have
all of these other things. I won’t say them again,
but you know the orgs that I’m a part of, but there’s also so many other things that you can participate
in outside of school, and that was so important to me. I mean, I would echo
everything that everybody has already said, but
med school is very hard, but it can be fun, and
Michigan was a place where I knew I could have fun, and I have continued to have
fun for the past four years. – Tying into that, I will also
say that if there’s something you are interested in
doing, that doesn’t exist here at Michigan, they are extremely open to you starting your own interest group, or you can literally do whatever you want. You can start a new organization, and just you can find people
to help fund that organization, and then you can get people to join it. So, that was something that
I’d never even heard of at other places. It was like, oh I’m really interested in this one tiny aspect of something that no one else has probably heard of. I’m gonna start my own group for it, and Michigan will actually
support you in doing that, which I thought was just amazing. – Yeah, I guess that ties
into why I picked Michigan, was because I felt that, whatever it is that was important to me, or that I wanted at some aspect of my career, like for example the Arab
Community is very important to me. I’m from Dearborn, and that’s
a big population there. I knew that there were upperclassmen. I had also known a lot of upper classmen who went to Michigan, and talked to them, but that population
that a lot of them too, so they started the Arab
American Health Initiative, and I’m like, oh my God,
they just started this thing from the ground up, and now
all the students are involved, and they’ll go to work with
like a free clinic in Dearborn, to get more hands on
experience with that community, and that’s something that
I want to do in the future. So, the fact that that
already existed here, and that one day I can be a part of that, and help that grow, was
a big aspect for me, and knowing that in the future, if there’s anything I cared
about, or wanted to start, that I had the resources
and the support to do that, and echoing what a lot of people said, is the people, the support here, the classmates are very collaborative. Pass-fail helps make it
that we’re not competing, and that is huge, I think for wellness. So, definitely those aspects. – Okay, great you all. We’re gonna close now. Thanks so much for
answering those questions, and thank you everybody for watching. You can watch this again on Michigan Medicine’s YouTube channel. I wish you all good night, and Go Blue. – Go Blue.

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