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This is a spoiler warning. We’re about to discuss the events of Twice
Upon a Time. If you haven’t seen it yet, go and watch it now, then come back and join
us. This is my new job. I announce things. See me at a railway station quite soon. Merry Christmas and welcome to the Fan Show. Coming up later, we’ll be chatting to Mark
Gatiss and David Bradley about starring in this year’s Christmas special but first… He’s helmed Doctor Who as lead writer and
executive producer since 2010, he joins us 7 years later to discuss his final episode,
Twice Upon a Time. It’s Steven Moffat. Welcome to the show. Now we must talk about the thing we’ve just
seen. I had no idea the show was continuing. What’s
going on? Who was that at the end? It’s an outrage, I tell you. What was your reaction to seeing Jodie for
the first time? She made me laugh straight away and above
all, it’s such a simple thing to say but the Doctor has to be funny. If the Doctor isn’t funny, I’m really
lost. And she immediately made me laugh and smile,
I was grinning away. If the wrong person was playing the part,
that could look really scary and awful but you’re just going to think the Doctor is
having a bit of a laugh there. Silly old Doctor Who, falling out of the TARDIS. It was great. Absolutely great. She is going to be awesome. Just before we saw Jodie for the first time,
we saw Peter’s final scene. What was it like to write that? We went through several versions of it. Peter and I, we kept sort of knocking it backwards
and forwards, just trying to get different ideas into it, different things that he wanted
to do. I lifted an idea from something he said at
the press launch for The Pilot about the Doctor’s name, that you can hear it sometimes if the
heart is in the right place. I knew what I wanted his last words to be,
“Doctor, I let you go” but just making sure the words gave him the space, making
sure he had space to do everything he wanted to do in that scene. That was his last day in the studio and the
last shot of him is his last shot as the Doctor. I’m not sure if any other Doctor has done
their last bit last. Peter did his first bit in Deep Breath first and he did his last bit
last. So he’s done it all in the right order. Well, no. He’s done it all in the wrong
order but those bits were correct. And you blew up the TARDIS! Steven, why? Chris made me. Chris said he wanted me to blow it up. I said,
okay Chris, you want to blow stuff up? That’s fine by me. You’re the boss, Chris. You
want to blow up that beautiful set, that beautiful set and break that designer’s heart? We’ll
blow it up. Okay, fine. Christmas day, mate. Christmas
day. Blow it up. Consider it blown mate. That’s what I said. Sir, sir, I will blow up that
set. You want to destroy really good things, Chris, you can. And do you know who’s fault
it is? Yours Chris. That what I said. You. In Russell’s book, The Writer’s Tale,
we see a very gentile correspondence between the two of you about whether or not the new
Doctor should speak and be speak at the end of The End of Time. Did you have the same with Chris? Roughly. Probably the same emails. I said, look. I think the tradition is and
I think we should stick with it because it’s mad that one production team handover to another
production team one minute before the end. One what other show? I love that. I think if you want to, which
is roughly what Russell said to me, if you want the new Doctor to speak, that’s you. If you want something to happen to the new
Doctor as you see it does happen to the new Doctor then that’s you. It has to be you. And he said yes and in fact that was the first
bit of the script written. He sent me a version of that in email before
I’d started and I remember thinking that’s good, well I’ve just got the other 59 pages
to write then, that’s sorted. Thanks Chris, mate. That’s really helpful. Where did the idea for this story come from,
reuniting the Twelfth and First Doctors? From the New York Comic Con just about over
a year ago. Somebody asks which Doctors should meet which
or something like that and I said the most interesting collision would always be the
most currently Doctor meets the very first Doctor. But William Hartnell isn’t around anymore
so we can’t do that but that would be the biggest dynamic range you could have, the
most exciting thing to do. And Peter just says, we could get David Bradley
and I remember thinking… Christmas. There we are. Sorted. I can do that. He’s had enough. I think credibly. He’s
way past his regeneration cycle, he is in Time Lord terms now a ridiculously old man. It would be reasonable to say it’s time
that I rested. For him to meet the William Hartnell Doctor who is nervous on embarking
on the journey that has so worn out the Capaldi Doctor. And I thought, well there’s a story in that.
The decision to become somebody else. I mean that’s a big terrifying thing and
I think it reflects things in our real lives too. When you choose to change your job, when you
choose to move house, when you choose to start again somewhere else, when you leave a big
showrunning job and launch yourself into the unknown, those moments feel like changing
who you are. And there’s a terrible, tiny, petty, nervy
little part of yourself that’s saying just stay here where I’m warm, where I understand
it and I’m surrounded by the things that I’m sentimental about. But there should be another part of your brain
that’s saying those things only arrived recently, they’re not you, you can be something
else, you can go and do something else. So the Doctor refusing to leave the hill he
just died on confronted by a previous edition of himself who hasn’t even reached that
hill yet, he has to say, oh yeah, this is what I always do and this is what I must. And I thought there was something warm and
Christmassy about that, about those two wonderful old men deciding that the future of the universe
and their future is more important than how they’re feeling right now. And above all it will be the first and only
time in the history of television or any other medium in which David Bradley has played a
younger version of Jodie Whittaker. I hadn’t thought of it that way and now
I have and it’s a fact. It’s a fact. Thank you so much both for joining us and
you guys look fantastic. Thank you. In a minute we’re going to get into costume. So this is your normal clothing. Sort of July. Yeah. This is my summer collection. It’s a good look idea that. Yeah, yeah. The David Bradley summer collection in the
Grattan catalogue. So David, is it different playing the First
Doctor in proper Doctor Who as opposed to William Hartnell in An Adventure in Space
and Time? Oh yes, yes. Because Mark wrote in Adventure was the story
of quite a complex man and brilliant actor and I felt I wanted to do justice to both. This story, I wanted to recreate how he was
in the episodes because the fans who watch it, they know, they know his mannerisms, vocally
and physically, his particular idiosyncrasies as a character. But at the same time, I didn’t want to make
it an absolutely rock solid impersonation. I didn’t get the script for this until 5
days before we starting shooting, just in time for the read-through and I was thinking,
god, have I got to learn all this? Normally if you get the script it may be 2
months before or 6 weeks, you tend to get a bit lazy and you think I’ve got 6 weeks,
I’ve got a month. Oh god, I’ve got a week. But with this, it made me kind of focus on
it a lot more and work harder. Comparatively easier conditions than Bill
Hartnell ever did. In those days they weren’t allowed more
than two cameras and that was usually for a change of scenes so if you fluffed your
lines or you forgot, the cameras just kept rolling but now we can just say sorry! Gone.
Can we pick it up from the previous line? Well, I thought it was amazing in An Adventure
in Space and Time, of course. A beautiful, beautiful film. But he was playing William
Hartnell playing Doctor Who, it’s not the same thing. It’s utterly strange because I think everyone
had this experience, including yourself, when you see him wondering around the set, he’s
just standing over there, he’s William Hartnell. He doesn’t look exactly like him, he looks
an awful lot like William Hartnell and there he is standing by the original version of
the TARDIS and it’s just him, he’s back. And above all, and I think this comes over
in the show, what is pleasing to walking tragedies like this long term fan, is that he seems
to fit in perfectly well. You think, that’s the most extreme, oldest
outcrop of Doctor Who, standing on the modern set in the modern TARDIS with the modern characters
and yet, it’s him, he’s the Doctor. It is all one story. It is the same story. Actually what you realise watching Hartnell
is there’s an awful lot of charm and twinkle and mischief and actually what Steven has
tapped into brilliantly in this episode is how naughty he is. And actually, because it’s David you see,
there’s even more naughtiness there. Even though it doesn’t make any sense because
he’s from a society billions of years in the future, he has the attitudes of a man
in 1963 towards Polly doing the dusting and all of that sort of stuff. And Peter is desperately embarrassed about
it. It’s such a funny idea. You can’t really avoid this. If you’re
going to do it for real and I didn’t go into it thinking that. I went to watch the old ones going oh, Doctor.
No. Maybe not. Don’t send her for a tea! No! No! No! You can do one of two things. You can ignore that and pretend it’s a feature
of the time, much like 4:3 is and black and white is, it mysteriously disappears when
you come into the modern day or why not say that’s the unvarnished Doctor? We know he’s a bit of a privileged aristocrat
who tries to be a man of the people shortly, woman of the people, now woman of the people. But really he does kind of expect his tea
served to him, doesn’t he? The Doctor is a completely relaxed, one of
the team, sort of man/woman but he doesn’t act tremendously well when someone else is
in charge, does he? No. Not at all. When anyone else is in charge, of any description,
even if they’re really nice, he gets into a right strop. And she sometimes gets into a right strop
too. The hilarious thing is when his/hers/their
companion becomes quite enamoured or impressed by a guest character, the Doctor goes into
an overwhelming strop. An overwhelming strop. So underneath our lovely modern hero, there’s
an element of a rather entitled aristocrat doing their best to be decent and kind and
one of the people. But one of the people, where’s my tea? It must have been weird for you as a fan to
act opposite David Bradley as the First Doctor. Well, the best thing I can honestly say about
this, it’s been one of the happiest jobs I’ve ever had. Obviously, I couldn’t say
no to it, not that I would want to. But it’s actually just been great fun. We’ve
had such a good laugh. It’s been lovely for Peter to go out on
an adventure which is just like Christmas, it’s happy-sad and full of laughs, it’s
a very beautiful episode. But yeah, for me, it’s just extraordinary.
There are times when I’ve just looked around, seeing David against the TARDIS or in the
studio. It is just like being there again. When I was first in Doctor Who with David
Tennant, I struggled for a while because it didn’t feel any different to doing any other
job and I kept wanting it to be Doctor Who. And eventually I got this big, overwhelming
oh my god, this is it, you know. But this one, is like being in my memory of Doctor
Who so it’s even more Doctor Who. I feel like I’m in an annual. In a Doctor
Who annual. And The War Games and The Tenth Planet. It’s kind of perfect. It’s Christmas
isn’t it? Is Twice Upon a Time, like An Adventure in
Space and Time, an attempt to reconstruct as many missing episodes as possible? No, I mean it wasn’t really. I think it’s lovely we’ve recreated part
of episode 4 of The Tenth Planet. We haven’t in the finished show got all that much of
it. That makes me happy. That makes a very niche
section of the audience very happy. It happens to be the section to which I belong. The strange thing was, when we were doing
the regeneration, basically, there’s the console, there’s that shot of William Hartnell
with his hands on and he’s at a certain angle and we were just making David go down
a bit, left a bit, to get the golden shot. Because we went well, it’s the same prop,
well actually, as long as the lens is the same, we will get the same image, by trial
and error, we’ll find the angle which looks right. And David looks so much like him, it was spooky
at times. When we were doing An Adventure in Space and
Time, because the feed from one of the cameras, it was an original 1960s camera, wasn’t
it? And you looked on the monitor and it was just
like looking back in time and everyone, the thousands of people I trooped through that
set, just went why don’t we just remake the missing ones? There’s Marco Polo, lets just do it. The Testimony are a neat idea. They a kind
of non-evil antagonist. What inspired them? I wanted it to be about memory because I’ve
been reading a lot about how the brain works and how much of what we identify as ourselves
is simply memory. If your memories were to be perfectly preserved
as they currently are on a hard drive and could be turned on, that hard drive would
think it was you, just as clearly as you think you’re you. That I find very, very interesting. And I wanted to end it on the Christmas armistice. I was attracted to the idea of making the
monster not a monster at all. In fact, there is no real jeopardy in this
episode at all. There was huge jeopardy at the end of the
series and this is the Doctor trying to find jeopardy where there isn’t. He’s having a fight and there’s nothing
to fight with and as he says, I don’t know what to do when there isn’t an evil plan. I like that idea because it’s about a man
deciding to live again, it’s not a man leading a mighty charge to save the universe. Rusty from Into the Dalek makes an appearance.
Why did you want to return to his story? Again, indulging myself, I love the idea of
Rusty and I loved Into the Dalek. I just thought, well, nobody is going to expect Rusty to come
back. I like it when something that no one expects
to come back, comes back. It is I, Doctor! Oh yeah, really? Of everyone you could have brought back, Rusty! It’s quite sweet. Rusty goes off with a simultaneously moving
and hilarious moment of eye contact with the Doctor. If you remember the end of Into the
Dalek, it’s the equivalent of doing this as you leave the room. I don’t know. I wasn’t quite sure. I thought
the Doctor might have pulled. I always fancied just bumping into him again.
Daleks are funny. But also I wanted an enemy that we could just
switch off when we no longer wanted that part of the plot to be going. Mark Gatiss has confirmed that the Captain
is the Brigadier’s grandfather, was this a last minute canon fondle? Canon fondle? Dear lord! I’ve always loved the Brigadier. I’ve
always loved that strand of the show and that character and what it says about the soldier
hating Doctor, that his best mate is a soldier. I love all that. And as I say, what can they do? Fire me? And you know, just the fact that he decides
to save that man before he knows it’s important and then he discovers having done it, in a
sort of Christmassy way, what you just did there was sort out your best friend. I like that. I thought that was really, really sweet. He didn’t mean to, he didn’t know he was
doing it. he didn’t know that the person to whom this man was important was him. So that’s a nice little Christmas present
for the Doctor. A few months ago, he took me aside in an Empress
of Mars production meeting and said will you keep June and July free because I’m writing
this part for you and I want you to be there when I go. And Mark, this is your 3rd onscreen appearance
in Doctor Who vs 9 scripting credits, which do you prefer? If this is the end which it may well be, then
it’s been amazing. An amazing journey, it really has. It’s been just fantastic. And to write for
the show for all these years and to be in it, especially this one, we wrapped yesterday
and it was a very happy-sad day. But there’s so much wrapped up in all that,
there’s so many things for me personally about the legacy of Doctor Who. Quite a good title. Everything it’s ever meant to me and then
it coming back so successfully in 2005 and then getting to work on it and then getting
to be in it. It’s a huge mix of emotions. You can’t
help feel that it’s one of those moments, the end of an era. It’s been fantastic. I never have a preference
really, it’s just been a privilege all around. Toby Whithouse makes an appearance as the
German soldier. He’s written for Doctor Who on several occasions
including The Lie of the Land most recently, what made you cast him? We had this problem, we asked Mark ages ago
to be in my last one, partly because I wanted my best mate to be on the show whilst I was
leaving it. I didn’t know how emotional it was going
to be and you sort of want your hand held to a degree. And I thought it would be nice for us to bow
out together. And then we had this problem, we had to get
a guest actor to give a full performance which will entirely consist of laying in a flooded
crater and speaking German. It’s a tough one. It’s a big serious acting
job but it doesn’t look like you’re going to dominate and then we were talking about
who we should get to do it and I said well, let’s get Toby. Because there it is, the two principles of
my writing room with guns pointing at each other in the middle of a battlefield. There, we’ve summed up the writers room
for Doctor Who. No, it was brilliant. Toby used to be an actor and he recently wrote
this one man show called Executioner Number One in which he played and he was wonderful. I think it’s kind of given him a bit of
a taste again so it’s been a nice treat for him. However, after the first day of laying in
that trench and having said all of his German and the next two days he was effectively just
in the background, frozen, I think he also thought I remember why I stopped doing this. Had we got it really right, Chris and I should
have been dead bodies in the crater laying there like that but were busy. When we spoke to you for our episode 12 of
the Aftershow at Roath Lock, you were sneaking back to go to the First Doctor’s TARDIS. Mark said it was like behind inside his own
memory of Doctor Who, was it like that for you as well? Yes. It was the second time we had done it.
We had done it before slightly in Hell Bent. Did you ever notice that the doors are the
wrong size in Hell Bent? If you watch Hell Bent again, there’s a
terrible truth. They built the roundeled walls, it looked great until Peter Capaldi walked
over to the doors and the doors came up to his nose. He couldn’t get out of the TARDIS without
ducking. And we had no time to fix this, no time at
all. So if you watch Hell Bent again from this
particular point of view, the ways in which we avoid seeing Peter Capaldi walking in and
out of the TARDIS. It’s always avoided. He always walks off
camera. And we put, fortunately, both Jenna and Maisie
are tiny, they’re miniature people so you put them in front of the doors and it’s
fine. But if you just do the maths, it should be
twice their size. I hadn’t noticed. We got away with it by very artfully, Rachel
shooting around it without ever actually seeing the Doctor standing next to those miniature
doors. Anyway. Oh, it was absolutely beautiful to have that
set back. I can never quite tell because that’s when
my fanboy brain absolutely overwhelms my reason, is that is for me, so beautiful, that set.
It was amazing to see that. But I don’t know how much of that is inherent
beauty and how much of that is just, that is the architecture of my dreams. That is where it all began. That is where
my impulse to become a writer was born, right there. That. That’s it. So if I stand inside that, that transport
me somewhere. It’s a historic set. When you think of iconic
BBC sets, they don’t come more iconic than that really. The two brass pillars, sort of Turkish pillars
which are from a company called Trading Post and they are, I believe they are the ones. There was only one originally in the TARDIS. We had two for An Adventure in Space and Time
and we’ve had two again for some reason but there they are. And we recreated the space-time visualiser
and all of these wonderful things and it was incredible. And then on Peter’s TARDIS it was like,
there must be a third one, I have to have three now. We both noticed that, particularly with Peter’s
TARDIS as it’s a 360 degree set, and it’s essentially lit is that there’s usually
a sort of, it’ll be about 20 minutes and you can go off and have a lay down or something,
it’s always about half an hour. But because it was 360, we just went on, we
were on our knees by the end of it. It was relentless, wasn’t it? Even lunch was only half an hour, wasn’t
it? We were feeding on the wing, you know. Pearl Mackie is back as Bell or at least a
physical projection of her memories. Was it always on your mind to bring her back along
with cameos from Jenna Coleman and Matt Lucas? No. It wasn’t and indeed, I was 20 pages
into the script and I was slightly stuck and I thought, I just want to hear what Bill has
got to say. I had been so used to writing Bill and she
had been such an invigorating, exciting presents throughout series 10, I just thought, I feel
it is wasted, the Doctor meeting his former self and all of his political correctness,
it is wasted if Bill does not witness this. And comment on this. And if she doesn’t
instantly work out who that is to the Doctor’s horror, if Bill doesn’t explain certain
aspects of her modern life to the First Doctor, it is wasted. So I had to sort of text Pearl who was off
in America at the time saying, I know I said you weren’t in it but do you fancy coming
back and I don’t mean for a cameo, I mean for the whole episode. And I remember she texted back saying best
text ever. So she was delighted to come back and in a
full role as we’ve just seen. Very much as Bill. You might have noticed there’s a little
bit of noise in the background. That’s because the heavens have chosen to rain down on us
but we’re going to plough on, aren’t we? Yup. Doctor, what are we going to do? Think of something Doctor! Somebody have a word! So obviously, it’s Peter’s final episode,
what are your feelings knowing him so well having worked with him? Very emotional but I think Peter was keen
to just enjoy his last story. He’s been such a fantastic Doctor and he’s just a
brilliant actor. Really, genuinely one of the very best actors
to play the part and he’s brought so much to it. There’s such a wealth of stuff going
on in his eyes. I was watching yesterday, the regeneration,
just thinking, he brings so much hinterland to it and a sense of, you can see all of the
other ones reaching back and these amazing expressive hands and the whole look of everything
at the moment. And he’s kind of flexible enough to bounce
the dialogue off you, he’s not in his Doctor bubble. He’s just more fun to work with because
he was constantly surprising and he’s got the right amount of curiosity about the universe
and everything which the ideal Doctor should have and that kind of eccentricity and yet
he’s capable of being quite sharp. I remember thinking in the trenches, that’s
the last bit of location, all of these things start to becoming the last one, don’t they? Out of all the laughs we had making it, the
scene you mentioned on the battlefield. When the scene kicked off, we had rehearsed
just the dialogue, me and Peter and then they said action, the snow started coming down,
the soldiers got out of their trenches, the British and the Germans and they walked across
and shared drinks and started playing football. And we were stood there and Peter and I just
managed to hold it together, we were both nearly sobbing hopelessly because it was just
such a wonderful recreation of an actual event. It was a great experience being in that scene. There was no acting required, was there? It just happened and they came out of the
trenches and we were all just weeping and it was just so beautiful. About 100 extras,
it might be a record for Doctor Who. It was just fantastically scaled. The scale
of it was amazing. It was just extraordinary. It was an extraordinary
sight. You do for a moment feel like that is actually happening. Which compensated for one miserable fact which
was in my over a decade of quite close involvement with Doctor Who I have scrupulously and successfully
avoided any location shooting in middy field. Ever. I just said no. Mysteriously, I’m unable.
My old friend is in that episode. Are they on location the muddy field exclusively? No,
I’m not seeing them. So I just didn’t go. I never went to the
muddy field. And then the Director General descended to
visit the set and have a chat with me and thank me and thank Peter Capaldi and what
day is he coming? Muddy field day. And I’m saying I’m not going to the muddy field. And they’re saying, no you are going. So I was in a muddy field. How was that for you? It was horrible. I hate muddy fields. It was miserable. And also, I’m just me. You know, Mark and
Peter and David will all be looked after and given cups of teas and sat in warm places,
I’m just staggering around with my laptop getting spattered by mud by more important
people. No, I hate all that. What’s this I hear about Jon Pertwee’s
jacket? I own Jon Pertwee’s jacket from Planet of
the Daleks And I said to Peter long time ago that I own
this and I said I’ll bring it down if you like, so I did on the last day, yesterday
and we got it into the shot! Hanging off the coat hanger, the hat stand
as Peter is giving his final speech to the Doctor, the future Doctor and this may not
be in the final cut but there was one take where he sort of trailed his hand along the
sleeve and that made me go a bit funny. So good. And there it is. It’s been re-canonised.
It’s in two stories. Excellent. He turned up on the studio floor on the very
last day of An Adventure in Space and Time as Jon Pertwee with the wig. I didn’t realise
at the time it was him. You thought it was Jon Pertwee. Yeah, yeah. What was the last day on set like because
you’ve said Peter’s regeneration was the final thing that he shot? The rest of the cast had wrapped, they had
all gone. Mark came in because it was Peter’s last day and my last day as our pal. Elaine was there, Elaine Capaldi, my wife
was there because this was all sombre and huge for everybody but it was Elaine and Sue
who were all tearful. Peter was fine, I was fine. We were just getting
it done, blowing stuff up, being Doctor Who. Peter gave such a beautiful gift. He gave
me a page of the script of Listen, the speech about fear is a superpower with a painting
on it with watercolour of him standing on the TARDIS talking to the little boy and he
framed it. It was a beautiful thing. Peter had a whole day to perfect his last
romp around the TARDIS and perfect his big old speech so it was astonishing, some beautiful
acting. And we blew stuff up and Rachel was there,
our favourite director. I’m sorry but she is. But you know, the others are all my favourites
too. It was just nice. It wasn’t so much as,
it’s amazing that we got to do this. I remember we were talking with Peter and we were saying,
we got to do this, we got to do it. That’s amazing. That’s what you should
think about. Not that it’s over. There isn’t anything that you will ever do in your life
that won’t one day be described as over. That cannot tarnish the joy of it. You cannot
damage the memory of your greatest days with the regret that they’re over. That’s the
wrong way to think. You’ve still got them. You’ve still go
this huge piece of your past, this is the hilltop on which you stand, from where you
see the view, it’s important. So it wasn’t a massive, sad thing. There was part of me, I’ve spoken earlier
and in tedious length about how tired I was and I was still shockingly tired at that point
and I was a week from getting on a plane and flying to LA and San Diego and Hawaii on my first real
holiday for over a decade so I was just looking forward to that. I was sitting outside at a restaurant with
my wife afterwards and she photographed me looking relaxed because she hadn’t seen
it before, she hadn’t seen it in a long while. Are you hoping to team up with the Doctor
again? Maybe the Thirteenth Doctor? If someone came up with that idea, of course,
I would be only too happy. That Broadchurch fellow, you know him, don’t
you? You’re alright there. He killed me off early. This could be his way of saying sorry. Yes, I might use a bit of emotional blackmail. Has it hit you yet? When does the end of days hit me? I mean, I’m sitting here doing this and
I’ve got more press later and I’ve got the press day of the launch to come all of
the fuss around the Christmas day episode and at a certain point, at a certain moment on Christmas day, I will
literally have no connection with Doctor Who anymore. That will be over. And I don’t know how that will hit me. I
don’t think it will hit me as a massive voltage shock of emotion. I think it will just be wow, that really is
over. And it’s been so dominant in my life for
so long, that the idea that that’s not how I introduce anymore, that’s not what I do
anymore. That I don’t ever walk into rooms where
I have to sort of go, okay. Act like a showrunner. Okay, boom away, make jokes. Come on. I’ll revert to being shy bloke hanging near
the wall. Which is probably overdue. I think it’ll be fine. As I was saying,
what a joy that it happened. What an amazing thing. Thank you so much for joining us and of course,
thank you to Mark Gatiss and David Bradley too. We’ll be back in the New Year with an in-depth,
3-part interview with Steven, reminiscing over the highs, lows and everything in between
when it comes to working on TV’s longest running sci-fi show. In the meantime, click here to see our Christmas
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channel. We’ll see you soon. Bye!

100 thoughts on “The Twelfth Doctor’s Final Story, Regeneration & MORE! | The Aftershow | Doctor Who: The Fan Show

  1. I loved this episode. David Bradley was absolutely brilliant, as was Peter of course. Loved how they dovetailed it into the Tenth Planet. It was poignant, sad and also very funny: "they took out all the jokes". I was hooked by Jodie before she even said her first line.

  2. I grown up with Moffat's run when I saw S5 finale at start of high school, loved it and went back for the entire 2005 run.I enjoyed every bit of the ride as life collapsed/rebuilt around me, but now here we are at the end of the road.
    School's over and university next, life is again at a crossroad as I struggle to accept change from one thing to another. But Doctor Who will be there to lift me up from the problems of my past and let me carry on regardless of what the future awaits.

    As it always have been, regardless of who carry the torch. Regardless of the flaws in writings and regardless of the limits they push. It will always be that one thing I goes back to when everything else falls into ashes.

    Love, a fan.
    (Give blessing regards to the new torch bearers.)

  3. I am not knocking Matt Smith as an Actor,I quite enjoy him. But if The Doctor is supposed to be funny,then explain the 11th Doctor to me. I didn't find him funny at all.

  4. Peter sick an I rate him and David…. I welcome Jody I can't wait to see season 11… from the 10th, 11th, 12th they were and still is raw… number 13th yo I can't wait

  5. I enjoyed the commentary but I really wanted to hear more of David Bradley answering questions. I'd love to see him in the 55th or the 60th anniversary specials. He filled me with so much nostalgia I almost forgot Peter was regenerating.

  6. I definitely got the impression at the end that the TARDIS reacted much the same way as the internet on finding out that the new doctor was a girl. Would you freak "a tad" initially if your long-standing boyfriend suddenly became a girl? No wonder it's going to take until Autumn for the TARDIS to remodel itself this regeneration round.

  7. That Episode was AMAZING "Laugh Hard, Run Fast, Be Kind, Don't Turn… -Peter CapaldiI Miss You PeterAnd Go Well Jodie…

  8. I was slightly annoyed by the quality of the spoken german. I wish they would have hired a german or had a german voiceover the part. Wonderful episode, I absolutely loved it.

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  10. I'm going to Miss Peter! I'm a baby Whovian. He is My Doctor. He Has played the Doctor In Every Episode I've seen Live. I have loved all the doctors. But Peter Is my Live Doctor. I cant wait to see what Jodie brings.

    I think The Christmas Miracle in WWI was a Beautiful Touch to this Episode. What a way to send off Peter!!!!

  11. Why bring the first Doctor back and not involve his Granddaughter Susan? What a wasted opportunity. Carole Ann Ford should have been invited back for one last appearance.

  12. no pearl mackie? great interview anyways and really bittersweet episode…really gonna miss peter, he was my fave doctor

  13. Stephen and Mark's friendship is just beautiful. With either (or both) of those men at the helm of a show you just know it's going to be good. Thank you for all the stress you've gone through for this ridiculous show Stephen, from terrifying me as a little girl to inspiring me to get involved in TV work as a young woman, thank you so much x

  14. I remember how I felt way back, seeing my Doctor regenerate for the first time. I felt so angry, how could he go? Now, seeing it again for the second time, I couldn't stop the tears. I wished I could go back, give my younger self a big hug and tell her that everything will be ok. I am looking forward to seeing what direction Jodie Whittaker and Chris Chibnall takes the Doctor this autumn.

  15. I enjoyed the Christmas show, and have been a loyal fan of Doctor Who, since Jon Pertwee, played the role in the 70s.
    So i'm looking forward to seeing Jodie, in future episodes.
    It's good to have a fresh start, long live the Doctor.

  16. Goodbye Peter Capaldi. I have been a fan since “Dangerous Liaisons”. Looking forward to seeing your next projects. Thank you for The Doctor, you were brilliant, just absolutely brilliant. I’ll miss you very much, but looking very much forward to Jodie Whittaker as I’ve always been a great fan of hers as well.

  17. I just realized that Mark says that he brought Jon Pertwee's jacket down, "on the last day (of filming), yesterday". Yesterday! You were there that long ago and that close to the day, Christel?! Now I got something else to be jealous of

  18. I was a bit worried about having Pearl return for the episode. I mean, I love Bill, but we've already said goodbye to the character and she's been given a happy ending (is there a word or phrase when a character has a continuing story, but only in the mind of the reader?).
    However, the way they actually did it for the story was a good way of "keeping their cake and eating it".

  19. Из-за того, что в этом видео нет Питера и Пёрл, они кажутся такими недосягаемыми…

  20. Sad to see Peter go just as he was doing his best work as the Doctor. But so excited to see Jody as Thirteen. Wish it was on next week, not next summer.

  21. I loved this episode! What a great way for Peter to leave the role. Jodie's entrance reminded me so much of Matt's and I am really looking forward to where she takes it now.
    Plus finding out who the Captain was made me me shed a tear I have to admit. It was so good to see the legacy of that certain family starting out in this episode. Well done Steven, I loved this episode so much.

  22. Liked the episode, liked the cameos but Jodie Whittaker has got me pumped! I can't make judgement on her yet but I hope, I really really hope that she will be amazing! Hopefully the show will get back on it's feet and the BBC will get their act togerther. Save this dying franchise, please. Roll on series 11!

  23. A beautifull special and a nice goodby to Peter, but I didn't find it satisfying as a Special. There was no suspense, no sense of danger, every obstable the Doctor encountered was overcome by just… well, doing nothing. The Tardis get's captured by a race that can disable it's engines, but a wave of the sonic screwdriver can operate the trapdoor and the chain and they don't try to stop them until they are just close enough to the ground. That's convenient, it's almost asif they where allowed to escape… Are we supposed to believe that a species that can stop time did not see the other tardis that was parked only a short distance away? And they don't come after you? Oh well, let's find out what the species is, so just go to a planet where Daleks live outside their shells… wow! Sounds dangerous! Sadly they become perfeclty harmless and just run around like muppets. The one Dalek that shoots the Doctor misses (as usual) and after a quick scan of his body decides that his arch enemy is quite harmless now… right. Millions of Daleks have died by the Doctor's hand but screw it, he even disarms himself so show how much the suddenly trusts the Doctor. The species turns out to be of the good kind… no clue what they do but apparently it's good. Then it turns out that Bill is a spy for the species. Well we never saw that coming after the rediculously easy escape, and they all work together to put the soldier back in the foxhole to get killed. Except, the Doctor doesn't do that. Timeline Shmimeline., I guess. For some reason the alien species that found it necessary to kidnap a Tardis to get this soldier thing fixed suddenly simply doesn't care anymore and leaves. So much for the proper point in time to die. I'd have thought there would be at least some reference to the Dcotor's upcoming death, but of course we already know that the Doctor doesn't die, so why pretend?

    Then comes Peter's finale and that was just brilliant! I wish the entire episode as like that.

    So no, not my favourite episode by a looong shot, previous specials have been much much much better.

  24. This is the first time I turned a Dr who show off mid way through the program since I started watching it since 1969!! Need I say more!


    I have found that in the comments of this, everyone here is saying goodbye to Moffat and saying he was fantastic, but then I realized the comments in other Doctor who videos.. hmm

  26. Thank you for the video and of course thanks to Stephen and his acting friends. However I do wonder, considering Steven's encyclopedic knowledge of Doctor Who will ever be able to keep Doctor Who from his thoughts in his new life outside.

  27. Okay. No. There was so much wrong with this episode… The only really good bit was the regeneration. Oh, and new who fans – the first doctor was not sexist.

  28. The only thing that really let me down was Capaldi's speech at the end not mentioning River. The Doctor mourning his wife was such a big part of the season–there was some mention of her in practically every episode–but when it came to the speech about not telling anyone his name, ever, there was absolutely nothing about the one woman in the universe who DID know his name, the woman he loved.

  29. Peter didn't need to go, Bill needed to long ago. The only saving grace in Bill's character is she gave back the memories of Clara. #ClaraIsLove #ClaraIsLife

  30. Personally if I was the head writer I wouldn't add Rusty as for me it seemed like it wasn't relevant, but I guess its happened now…

  31. Was the shot of 12th's ring falling off 13th's finger symbolic? It was so subtle I honesty couldn't tell. Moffat bowing out is the best Xmas gift this fandom has gotten in years.

  32. I'm guessing Steven's original idea was to have the 1st Doctor companions in the episode in place of Bill? 100% the right decision to bring Bill back as she has been such a bright shining star in this era of the show. So glad she was there at the end! 🙂

  33. What I'd like to see is a spin-off searies titled 'Beyond The Tardis'. It would be a non regular cast searies which would consist of prequal and sequel stories, origin stories. Plus where are they now stories, which would be about companions and friends of the Doctor. A searies such as this would make it possible for favourite characters such as River Song, Amy and Rory and the original Doctor's Susan to be seen again. And then we'd also be able to see what Gallifrey was like before the Doctor was born, Skaro before they went to war or even the Sontarans when they first started to clone themselves and why.

  34. The idea of a perfect copy of a memory thinking it, too, was the person was seen in Rebel Flesh, as well. quite nicely done.
    as I am older, I don't get so sad when older people die as I did when I was a child. It is terribly sad when someone dies in a tragic accident, or a child has a terrible illness. but, when an older person who has lived a full and good life, passes away, I prefer to say, "They Won". none of us gets out of this alive. We all owe G-d a death. even the incarnations of The Doctor, each in their time. and it feels like a death. "He stops and some new bloke goes sauntering away" I once heard it described…. but, the better way, I think, of looking at an elder who has passed and who lived a full life is something I have heard from the Jewish Community, "May their memory be a Blessing to you". and, that seems very like the way this episode was written. we are all stories in the end. we are not the fullness of humanity or even the fullness of our families. we are someone else's history. and that means, our story is also part of someone else's story.

  35. This Is Ben Miller, I Hope Russell T Davies Would Come back To Write Doctor Who One Day I Hope He Will Bring Back The Two Doctors From His Era And One From Steven Moffat's Era Which Is The Ninth Doctor Played By Christopher Eccleston And The Tenth Doctor Played By David Tennant From Russell's Era And The Eleventh Doctor Played By Matt Smith From Steven Moffat's Era Russell Will Bring Back These Three Doctors Back One Day To Team Up With Jodie Whittaker

  36. This Is Ben Miller, I Hope The Thirteenth Doctor, Jodie Whittaker Would Meet The Ninth Doctor, Christopher Eccleston The Tenth Doctor, David Tennant And The Eleventh Doctor, Matt Smith

  37. Moffat can finally rest. Really glad he can take time for himself. Yes, he had his flaws. But he knew how to set things up. For crying out loud, he came with the idea for Heaven Sent on a talk show. A TALK SHOW.

  38. The 13th Doctor should have been a black lesbian actor to hammer the political correctness even harder, even though that would probably have driven the ratings down so low in the US that the BBC would axe the franchise for ever.

  39. I bought this season to watch with my grown son on vaca. at beach didn't get past second disc last year , this summer a lot rainy days here so watched the rest in a week finally finished watching over here across the pond two three years later lol, in other of seasons I've watched mostly hated the doctors companions friends leaving this one hated the doctor more so leaving. Now I want to go see if can rent the next season. lol

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