Behind the Facade | Instagram Star Talks Reality of Medical School


[Music] What’s going on guys? Dr. Jubbal, medschoolinsiders.com. I’m currently out here in Saigon, that’s Ho
Chi Minh City, Vietnam. And I’m having a blast! The trip so far has been quite epic. If you want to follow along, make sure you’re
following me on Instagram @KevinJubbalMD. Now, it wasn’t really until this trip that
I fully understood how important and how powerful social media is. If you saw my recent video with Dokt. Aura, then you know what I’m talking about. Now, I had the pleasure of having an excellent
conversation with Jay Feldman. He is huge on Instagram, so if you haven’t
already checked him out then make sure you do. And he’s also a fourth-year osteopathic medical
student in New York City. Currently applying to family medicine residency. So without further ado, here is Jay Feldman. How’s it going guys? My name is Jay Feldman. I’m a fourth year Medical Student here in
New York City at Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine. I grew up in South Florida, lived in Parkland
and I did my undergraduate at University of Florida. There I studied biological science, played
professional volleyball and then I moved up here and I’m about to match and I’m hoping
I match. And I’m doing a family medicine specialty. Super exciting time. First off, congratulations. Now that you are wrapping up medical school
and you’re looking back, how has the reality of med school actually differed from your
expectations? Oh, man! All right, so, my expectations of medical
school versus the reality. So, I was in Florida, University of Florida
and I got my acceptance letter. I actually got accepted on the spot at Touro. I was in my interview and they offered me
the position while I was there. ‘The position’, the enrollment as a student. But once that happens, you’re just committed. I mean, your expectations from your family
and friends, everyone knows and then – that’s what you’re doing, that’s your new life. Your new life is medicine, its medical school. So, you just uproot, uh, you know, I packed
up all my stuff from University of Florida, moved it to New York, didn’t know anybody
and really just started on a grueling two years of being broke, depressed. I mean, if you’re not depressed your first
two years of medical school, there’s something wrong with you. It’s grueling. It’s harder than anyone can actually put into
words. People will tell you how hard medical school is,
you have no idea. Absolutely no idea. So, you know, when you’re thinking about going
to medical school and you’re basing your decisions off of your parents’ beliefs and you’re basing
your decisions off of what you’ve seen on TV, Grey’s Anatomy, Scrubs, The Resident,
you know, all these shows now, it’s not glamorous, none of it is glamorous. You see cool things, yeah, but that’s the
vast minority of what you’re doing. The reality of medicine is, you’re basically
a slave, you’re working your ass off, you’re studying your ass off every single day. When you’re a third or fourth year and you’re
actually seeing patients, you’re getting to the hospital sometimes at 5:00 a.m. every
day and not getting out until 8:00. And the whole time you’re there, you’re just
being – eating crap from your seniors and it’s not fun. And people really, you know, there’s a lot
of depression that happens for this reason. It looks glamorous, people get into it, yeah,
money, prestige, but it’s not like that at all. Granted I love what I’m learning, I love what
I’m seeing, I’ve seen some incredible things that I wouldn’t trade the world for. But since I started medical school, you know,
I’ve lost all of my best friends from high school. No one understands what you’re going through
except your classmates. So, it’s just an inevitable reality that the
people you were once close with in college are not going to be the people you’re close
with anymore. You know, you’re just basically, you’re signing
up for a lot of years of struggle, of being broke, of working your ass off harder than
you can ever imagine working, but it’s rewarding in a lot of ways. You have a large Instagram following and the
life of a med student seems great; you’re smiling, you’re rocking the white coat, the
stethoscope and you just seem to be having an awesome time. Is this really what medical school is like
for you? So, no and yes in a lot of ways. So, I know everything that I post is, you
know, smiling in my white coat, my scrubs and my stethoscope, like being a doctor is
awesome, I love what I do and that’s true in a lot of ways, but I also think I’m contributing
to a major problem. And that’s portraying only the positive sides
of what I – what we go through as medical students. And me personally, I’m a serial optimist. I mean, you could put a plunger in my hand
and I would probably be posting on social media about how awesome it is to be a plumber. But, you know, medicine is really not like
that for everyone. I am the, I would say 1% of people that are
in medical school in terms of finding life balance and finding happiness there. So, no, it’s not all smiles and white coats. There’s a lot of people and including myself,
I go through hard times too but nobody posts the hard times on social media. And even when I did one time, all my friends
were like “man you can’t do that, people are looking to you for inspiration, for smiles”. And I agree with them and I disagree with
them. I think people should see the hard times. But for now, I’m just going to, you know,
right now I’m in a very optimistic place. I love what I do. I found a way to make it work for me in a
way that keeps me happy, keeps me motivated and makes me love medicine. But a lot of people can’t say the same. For every doctor on social media you see with
their white coat smiling and their stethoscope, there’s a hundred other ones that are not
so happy. And I think it’s creating a pretty big public
perception problem that, you know, being a doctor is this glamorous fun thing and everyone
– everyone is happy and having fun. And that’s simply not true. Great point. Great point. Now, this is clearly a huge issue in medicine;
do you have any advice for aspiring future doctors, for the pre-meds out there? So, I would love to be able to sit down with
the freshman and sophomore in college who are thinking about going pre-med or just at the
beginning of their stage and see if this is really a road that’s right for them because
once you really start on this path, it’s really hard to get off. My biggest piece of advice would be just understand
what you’re signing up for. As soon as you start really getting deep into
your pre-med classes, you wanna go to physics too, you start telling all your friends and
family that you’re going to be a doctor. Putting it out into the world like that is
really kind of committing yourself into this life. And once you – the deeper you get, the harder
is to get out. And I want to get across the message that,
if you’re not 100% sure, if you have shadowed doctors, seen, talk to them, listen to them
about what their life is actually like, do they recommend it for you… If you’re not 100% sure, then really sit down
and think about this because it’s not your parents or your friends that are going to
have to go through this and live this life for their entire life, it’s you. So, I really think that you should take a
deep look because once you actually get accepted to medical school, congratulations, but now
you have to take on all this debt. You take on all of this debt and if you don’t
end up scoring high enough to be the specialty that you always thought you were going to
be, and this happens to 90% of medical students, It’ll probably happen to you too, will you
be okay being, you know, a primary care doctor or a psychiatrist or a family doctor your
whole life? Now, these are all very important questions
because once you start, this is really a commitment for your entire life. Once you have all this debt, I have $400,
000 in debt, there’s really no escape. And this is feeling of being trapped that
leads a lot of physicians to being depressed and committing suicide. That was a very complex and multifaceted issue. What do you think are the next steps in terms
of us as a community, as medical influencers, what can we do to address this… at least
to start making meaningful change? So, I’m glad you ask and the solution I think
is going to be tough, but raising awareness, doing exactly what you’re doing right now
with the Save Our Doctors campaign, you know, raising money, raising awareness for this
specific cause. And I think us as social media influencers
and people in media, also have a responsibility to not only show the – the good things, not
only show the white coats and smiles and how awesome it is to be a doctor, but also showing
the, you know, the highlight of what goes on behind the scenes. You know, how hard it really is. How many hours we actually work. Are you ready to get up at 4:00 AM every day? I mean, I’ve went through entire months periods
where it was just like waking up, just shit. But you know, I think if all the social media
influencers and media really band together and change the public perception of medicine
by at least highlighting what it’s actually like, the work that we actually do, what it’s
like in the hospital, then I think people might at an earlier age really grasp what
it means to be a doctor. And I don’t think they’re doing that now. Jay, thank you so much for your time. Really a pleasure talking to you and having
you on this channel. Where can people learn more and find you online? So, if you want to connect with me on social
media, I’m everywhere… on Instagram @drJayFeldman. That’s Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Twitter,
YouTube, you can find me on all of those links @drJayFeldman and drjayfeldman.com which
is launching on March 15th as well when I match. I hope this isn’t bad juju. It was great talking to everybody and I hope
to connect with you. If you have any questions feel free to shoot
me a message on any of those social media platforms. I’ll be sure to answer you. [Music]

81 thoughts on “Behind the Facade | Instagram Star Talks Reality of Medical School

  1. I really love and appreciate this video Dr. Jubbal. I finished all of my pre-med courses but recently decided to not pursue medical school because of my life-time struggles with depression. Even though I finished pre-med, I felt like I had lost everything else about me in the process, and that was not the path I wanted to continue on. Shadowing doctors, talking to doctors I know, and watching youtube videos such as yours has really made me feel like I made the correct decision. I am now a nursing student however, and am really enjoying the process! 🙂

  2. Hii Kevin, please make a video on how do you deal with your Crohn's disease. I have been recently diagnosed with IBD and I want to know more about your lifestyle changes so that I can also live a fuller and energetic life.

  3. I don't think that 90% of med students don't score high enough to get the specialty they want.. I do think that people generally match into the specialty they want. This guy is definitely exaggerating.

  4. My most sincere respect to this gentlemen! Thank you for being transparent about the profession you are in. My best wishes to both, God bless you.

  5. This is awesome. The only 3 doctors/med students that I follow on social media/YT is Dr. Webb, America, and yourself. This video is the reason. I want to know how difficult it really is. I would rather go into medical school thinking it can be hell at times, instead of going there thinking it's going to be glamorous. I think that everyone portraying the glam side of things really contributes to the depression of some people. As they did not know what they were signing up for.

  6. Holy shit I went to high school with Jay. I just found this channel two days ago, what a small world. #MSDstrong

  7. Oh Fudge! $400K in debt is ridiculous and wrong! that's got to change. no other country trains doctors like we do in the US (for a good reason! the us system is broken!)

  8. Man I've been following Jay for the past 3 years and I always saw him a very serious and stuck up dude. I can see how humble and incredibly true of a person he is through this video. Thanks Jabbal for all the awesome videos.

  9. Hey man hope you have an international edition. Med school in Europe or Asia. Like the differences or similarities. Yeah i really agree on what he is saying. The word hard does not come close describing the process on becoming a doctor.

  10. I am in 4th year now and it's not "fun" by a long shot. Interesting? Figuring out what the patient has is the most fun and it stops there.

    But most of the time you have to fill in patientforms on the computer. And calling the lab, imaging technician, the specialist your patient needs

    Its not 9-5, rather 8-5 minimum, longer if you didnt manafe to finish your patientforms.Then you have evening shifts, weekend shifts.
    Which means you have 2-3 hours for yourself after work if you want a good nights rest, which is vital-because you are tired all the time.

    You have to learn a lot about the medications, vital, but another not so super interesting bit if you ask me.

    Training fellow doctors is a chore for most because they are so overworked. And a lot look down at you.

    I am now contemplating not finishing the other 2.75 years. Should I choose to be miserable for all that time just to be able to work as a doctor in a less stressfull setting? I dont know.

  11. Omg I’m a premed and this video made me think long and hard. I want to be a doctor and specialize in something very specific. The thing is that I have solid plan B outside of medicine. I feel like I may not be 💯 driven to medicine because I have other plans

  12. I HATE STUDYING!!! How will I become a doctor!!! Sure I have all A’s but I’m still going to have to “work my ass off”

  13. I am very glad how honest he was. Yes, its so true that medical school is extremely challenging (exams every week, USMLE board exams, clinical externships, research, etc.) and many pre-meds go to medicine for the wrong reason (money, fame, respect, glamorous life, parental pressure, etc). However, this does not mean that you should give up on your dream! If you have the right attitude and willing to put the EFFORT into it, I am positive that you will be a great doctor someday. Just don't do it for the wrong reasons.

  14. I'm so glad you guys are talking about this. Burn out syndrome is so fucking common in medicine it breaks my heart. A little empathy from seniors can go a long way. Thanks for your work.

  15. The social media medical influencers are creating a huge problem in my opinion. Especially now that I am on the other side as a medical student. I recently saw undergrad pre-med influencers. I just think this is completely irresponsible. Pre-meds (undergrad) literally know nothing at all and should not be influencing anyone but themselves. Your organic chemistry study habits will probably not be beneficial in medical school and companies need to stop promoting this nonsense.

  16. I VERY STRONGLY disagree with what he said about something being wrong with you if you're not depressed in medical school. I am currently in my first year, and I couldn't be happier and more positive about life. I love school and I love life. Sure it's very difficult work, but we also are learning and experiencing incredible things, having a lot of fun, and I have made incredibly close friends that I will have the rest of my life. On top of this, we will have the privilege of being someone that will make positive impacts in many people's lives. Neither me or any of my friends or classmates are depressed, and we all maintain good work life balances. It could have been the environment at this guys school, the way his curriculum was, or something else; but it is NOT the norm to be depressed in medical school. Don't let his negativity discourage you!

  17. Yes! Please release more videos on the reality of becoming a med student, residency, and the chances of matching with specialties. Doctors are too glamorized and not enough of the hardships of med students are shown.

  18. Perhaps his depression had a bit to do with the fact that he had to uproot and leave his family? If you go to a school near your home/family then perhaps it's not as bad because you have a lot more emotional support (hopefully)

  19. Finding new ways to lower medical student debt and increasing options for student loan repayment post-graduation would really help alleviate stress, with $400,000 in debt and family medicine as your specialty it going to be a long hard road especially if you don’t love the work.

  20. Why is it that in the US it only takes 2 years to become a doctor while in Europe it can take 6 years? (Sorry actually it's 4 vs 6, but it's still less in the US) It does often seem that doctors in the US are much more stressed and less prepared as generalists than European doctors. US doctors also seem to be fewer and much better paid than doctors in the EU.

    It's also interesting how the subject of wanting to help the sick never comes up in this video… should that not be the main reason why someone becomes a doctor?

  21. After the first year…i passed all my exams but i was so depressed and stressed i just wanted to give up. Now in second its getting better but those first few days of second year were brutal for me.

  22. This guy went to medical school for ALL the wrong reasons and it makes perfect sense that reality slapped him in the face for taking a very serious, honorable, and revered career as a means of "doing cool stuff." This career is for people who are willing to dedicate their WHOLE (not just part) lives to medicine, specifically, in any way shape or form. A prospective dermatologist better be okay with being a family med doc and a prospective psychiatrist better be okay with being a neurosurgeon. If you don't have this kind of mentality anchored on resilience you DON'T belong in medical school. It is unfortunate that a lot of these kinds of people get accepted. The application process needs to improve the vetting of privileged folk expecting a fantasy career being king of the world. If you are in medicine, you dedicate your life to being a servant leader. End rant. – thoughts of an MS

  23. He has a very negative outlook. Being a fourth year med student myself, I can honestly say that I've never been 'depressed'. Also, that isn't a word you should throw around casually.

  24. I am currently a 2nd year med student and I’ve found that people’s opinion on med school varies greatly depending on the school and the person. I have had a great time the last 2 years and if you feel depressed you may be in the wrong profession or need a change in perspective. Maybe your school makes you feel like a slave but I have never felt anything close to that.

  25. It seems like you may not have had much real life experience. Yes, medical school is hard, but when you’ve deployed multiple times and have experience a rough life, medical school doesn’t seem to be as bad as you’ve made it out to be. I feel like you just contradicted yourself as well. You say that you’re a serial optimist, however, your first two years left you incredibly depressed? Doesn’t sound like a serial optimist to me.

    At the end of the day, it just depends on who you are as a person. This video doesn’t reflect everyone and what he says isn’t the holy grail. Thanks for the input though!

  26. It's very important to realise and talk about the struggles and mental health problems within the profession. So thank you for that. But I really didn't like that he said become a psychiatrist, primary care doctor or family doctor was a failiure. Especially when he talks about all the people struggling with mental illness and then talk down on psychiatrists.

  27. This is so true, let others know the reality from the fantasies of being a doctor. You will become a legal zombie. You won't have as much friends as before if you do have any remaining, just your classmates.

  28. He is being honest. I truly appreciate that. Yeah, being a medical student is not bed of roses. You gotta work your ass off!

  29. What's going on Kevin. @OGmillennialMD here. Interesting video with Jay. Some people wouldn't understand the process one has to go through to be a physician specially people not in our field. I agree most of the time all they see is glamour. Yes, I also agree medical influencers should talk also about the grind. That's part of the reason why I love Medschool Insiders and this channel. Your narrative does not only include the glam but more importantly the grind. Looking forward to connect again soon. Much love from the Philippines.

  30. I agree with you… That is y I lft medical science after becoming a doctor … Now I have switched to other profession…i wasted my 8 yrs with this profession..
    It was one of the worst decisions that I made… You are 100 percent right…

  31. I think I must disagree with the sentiment of obligated depression in medical school. I'm currently a 3rd year medical student, and some of the objective experiences that he has shared – I can attest to. Days are long, demands are high, and sometimes your best effort isn't good enough. There are seniors (physicians, residents) who may pass down a culture of abuse that was taught to them much like a hazing ritual based on traditional belief that harsh treatment is how you force a student to learn. However, I believe the thought that depression is the obligate and dominant emotion to be experienced through school is based on mismanaged expectations from the field.

    I feel it is important that people not only understand that it is difficult but that the field itself will make unreasonable demands of you, not only because we are a patient's last lifeline (pun unintended), but because we also make unreasonable demands from our patients. We invade their privacy, their space, and their bodies – we are strangers to them, yet we ask them to trust us only on the basis of our relationship to the field in which we claim to be trained.

    This is not to say I believe medical school should be the way it is. I don't believe it is effective to teach students through abuse. I don't even think the long days are even the best management of our time. But if I had to pick a word to describe my entire medical school career thus far, I would have chosen "growth," not depression.

  32. Is this an America thing ? Or does this apply for med schools around the world, because although this video has given me a new perspective, I've never heard or seen much like this here in NZ?

  33. what did you think medical school/medicine was going to be? a party? lol this guy is extremely negative. everything in life has good and bad parts, but it would be in one's best interest to take on a positive perspective and focus more on the good rather than bad aspects

  34. TBH, this dude sounds like a privileged jerk. What did he expect, a doctorate degree handed over on a silver platter while he kicks his feet watching GOT? I'm a second year medical student one month away from taking the most important exam of my life. I'm not depressed, nor have I been depressed. Burnout is a different story though. I've maintained all my best friends in college and that's because I make an effort to hit them up on social media. Medical school is exactly what you make it. These have been some of the most amazing years of my life. I've grown into such an amazing human. This guy needs to count his blessings.

  35. Take your supplements man to Protect your brain from ALL THE STRESS of becoming a doctor………….Don't you guys know suicide Rates are high for you all? It is probably higher than veterans who go to war………Can you imagine the damage your brain will SUFFER for the lack of sleep when You know someone can KILL you while you sleep? You guys are suffering the same Lack of sleep as veterans of war so keep brain supplemented, or it will end up being Damaged which will cause you to kill yourself. rec..: B100, magnesium, extra folate, etc..

  36. Training U.S. doctors faster by cutting out college
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/training-us-doctors-faster-by-cutting-out-college/2013/02/22/1c934da8-1255-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bc1ed6751ae4

    BECOME A DOCTOR WHILE LIVING IN EUROPE​:

    https://utmostedu.com/become-a-doctor-without-college/

  37. Dr. Jubbal, please check up on him and see how he is doing. I'm sure that negativity is coming from a dark place within him, and he could probably use someone to talk to. He may have seemed fine up front but it doesn't hurt to ask.

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